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Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 222
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 01:14 pm: | 
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RE Grades for MST 214, Fall 2004
You can find your grades on line as Mark Cao did, and he writes:
"Marc & Mark,
I found out how to get grades online. What I did is login to MySite (requires Student ID and PIN): https://www1.socccd.cc.ca.us/mysite/ . Then, I navigated to the page that shows "unofficial grades". It's not very user-friendly to get there, but it is indeed possible!
Happy Sailing,
- Mark" |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 58
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 10:53 pm: |
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Hey I found my student ID and PIN # I am officially registered! Yay! I bought my "kids" fun stuff for Christmas...Like pounds of tarred seine and stuff to make a "ditty bag" (even a left handed palm for my kid who is left handed LIKE ME!) LOL Hey if I can't play with their toys...
I am ready to make Turks Heads on the dogs, lizard, and any appendage....
They also had to have new "marine binoculars" and some cool flashlights, and damn I didn't find a good deal on night vision binoculars...too expensive yet. Oh well, I am ready to tie something up...or make a monkeys fist...
Well I am officially "in". |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 57
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 10:30 pm: |
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Marc,
Ok I will register! Well that sounds great re the galley duty! We get to choose our own foods! YAY! Ok I will go to the Saddleback site... I know I received some thing in the mail a while back and I lost it. It "could" be in the file for classes...but I would not bet on it!
Thanks Marc. I will get right to it.. and I should know when the classes start, no? |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 213
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:27 pm: |
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April, registering is NOW - we already have 11 signed up for the 2005 class. As for galley duty, provisioning and cooking is part of the classs, and each boat will decide on their own who cooks what. |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 56
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:43 am: |
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As far as the anchoring experience that I had in class we did it in the muck by the Spirit and it was not under sail.
Also we did go into reverse...then certainly put the prop in neutral...let it drift and then dropped the anchor...then we eased IN on the bow rode...and eased out on the stern rode and that is what we did... we even did the opposite because we had NO wind...we dropped off the stern as we had other classmates in front of us and we figured that we might as well use our position to our advantage, so we dropped the stern anchor BEFORE the bow anchor. We also put the anchor attachment on all different sides of the boat spinning the boat around as if to try different forms of anchoring like port/starboard for instance. At this time the boat engine was OFF.
I only remember anchoring under power. I never anchored under ONLY sail. We would wait until the boat stopped, had to even put one boat in reverse and go into neutral because it still moved FOREWARD in neutral, so yeah, ALL of my experience in class with anchoring has been under power.
My big contention with the anchoring and pulling up of them in rocks in accordance with the books explanantion in both Chapmans AND the texts, which we used for our class, said that we NEVER go over an anchor to attempt it at a different direction, we always go around it. That is what I put on my midterm and I got it wrong. In the text books from class it stated that we let out some rode, pull for tension (so you know you will not drive over the rode!) and go around the snagged rock/coral etc. So that one pulls from different angles. If that still does not work then one sends down some chain with a line on the end so that another vessel can pull from another direction. I really studied all that anchoring but alas... I missed the question. Now I know that it is important to voice my explanation! <smile>
As far as the next class I am ready to learn other ways of doing things. I have already done the galley duty and organizing for trips with the scouts, it will be a nice relief to show up and be crew!
I have actually spent over 3 hours in Costco and many more hours separating different foods with lables for each boat, every kid has to have galley duty to pass "ordinary" status. We do not get very crazy other than to bake cookies but usually we have a spaghetti dinner somewhere in there! With the scouts cost for 50 people comes into play and kids eat a lot!
In looking at the explanation of the different classes---there is no galley duty correct? Since the dates will certainly not be during the same time the scouts use the boats, then I imagine that there will be no conflicts for me. I think that my daughter's spring break is different as she is on the quarter system, so that should work!
When does registering start for Spring? |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:51 pm: |
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YAY! I passed my final! I really enjoyed this class, all of you were so much fun, I sure hope to see you in the next class! I really did learn a lot. Tomorrow I am going to post some pictures that I took of my daughters quartermaster cruise. We sure did try to tip Half Moom but she wouldn't tip! I will show the picture of the fenders floating above the rails and the washing of the dingy...attached to the back of the boat! I also have some fun shots from the top of the Spirit. I climbed the ratlines and took some nice shots. Anyway thanks to all of you for the questions you asked, for helping me with knots and just being fun to hang with on Friday nights!
See you next semester!
Oh Toni, it was nice meeting you tonight! Thanks for the advice! |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 04:25 pm: |
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I assume that the final is going to be at 6 pm as we all had agreed upon from the last classes? This is when I will be there so if I am late....just put me in a closet or something with a light! I have enough rope (not long enough to hang myself but enough to tie a few knots!)
My brain is bouncing off the walls from studying! |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 52
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 02:52 pm: |
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Thanks Ted,
I will need all the help I can get, somehow I misinterpret the questions! I will make sure that I ask questions this time if I am confused as to what is being asked.
Now I am more confused about the way of anchoring and all the weather stuff. I don't know just how much of all the advanced stuff will be on the test. I know we sure did anchor a lot! I just do not remember approaching on a Reach...This would be anchoring under sail; didn't we do that? we just motored over. I also do not remember turning as wouldn't that just get the prop messed up in the anchor rode? That is the most important thing to avoid We just put the thing in reverse and dropped the stern anchor Never drop a stern anchor while in reverse!!.... oh well...the luck you send is well needed! |
Ted Lavino
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Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 239
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 02:10 pm: |
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Hi April, per rule 25e, a conical day shape is required to be exhibited forward (not aft) by sailing vessels over 12 meters (39 ft, not 40ft.) when propelled by machinery. However, in many locations that rule is enforced in a lax manner. I have yet to see a sailboat exhibit one.
Regarding the red/green all around lights on the top of the mast, rule 25c says they may be exhibited, i.e. they are optional. But side lights are still required as well.
Sailboats under 20 meters can also use a tricolor light (red/green/white giving the same configration as side lights and stern light) at the top of the mast to improve their visibility to others, but cannot use side lights and stern light at the same time.
Good luck on your final! |
Ted Lavino
Senior Member
Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 238
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 01:58 pm: |
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Hi April, when one is going downwind, one will have still have apparent wind. If the boatspeed over ground is less than the true wind speed, the apparent wind will be from the same direction as the true wind, but the apparent wind speed will be the true wind speed less the boat speed-the boat is "running away" from the wind.
If the boat speed is more than the true wind speed, i.e. if you had the motor on, your appaarent wind will be coming in front of you, sort of like a "negative" apparent wind. The apparent wind speed would be your boat speed less the true wind speed in that case.
*Regarding the depth of an object in parentheses, per Chart #1 that is the height above the vertical chart datum used for heights (vs. depths), usually mean high water, but check the notes in the chart title to confirm.
I think you're thinking of a drying height, which is depicted with an underline rather than a parentheses. The number in parentheses is the height above the chart datum used for depths (usually mean low water). *see discussion under charts and publications. |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 51
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 01:44 pm: |
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Thanks Ted, that does make sense with regard to the for and aft of the jib lead and I have seen the traveler make a huge difference with the twist...we don't have a traveler on one of the boats so we kind of used the vang in such a way...
Now I am going over lights...and I note that we are supposed to show an upside down conical sign if we are in a sailboat under power!? My kids even knew this but they said "we don't have em so we don't use em". I read that all sail boats over say 40 feet must have the upper red green light combo for "running light" explanation on the top of the mast. That is probably why the new sea scout boat has them...I think they are going to take them off...does that mean that we no longer have that rule?
Also what about sailing under power? Are we supposed to have that conical shape showing aft?
I swear...study and I have more questions than ever!
I thought I was going to clean my garage today but I stopped to study some more and YIKES! |
Ted Lavino
Senior Member
Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 237
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 01:32 pm: |
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Hi April, one changes the angle of attack of both the headsail and mailsail via a combination of twist (both headsail and mainsail) and either a combination of fore and aft and in and out movememnt of the clew (headsail) or in and out movement only of the clew (mainsail).
To manage the twist component you really are doing two totally different ajustments on the mainsail vs. the headsail. As you say, on the headsail twist is controlled by the fore and aft placement of the sheet block, which translates into different vertical vs. horizontal movement for a given amouunt of movement of the sheet. If the sheet block is placed more forward, the clew of the sail is pulled down more that if the block was further aft. And vice-versa when the block is aft, the clew is pulled towards the stern more than if the block was further forward. This vertical component of force directly translates into the amount of twist of the headsail.
On the mainsail, the clew is not pulled back with the sheet-it is fixed via the connection of the outhaul to the boom. It is a bit more straighforward to grasp. The vertical component of force on the clew through the boom determines the amount of twist. This vertical component of force comes from two controls: mainsheet and boom vang. The closer to centerline the boom is the more vertical force is exerted for a given amount of main sheet taken in. As the boom moves further outboard, the force from the mainsheet transitions to more horizontal force. The boom vang's force does not change no mater where the boom is. So, the best use of these tools would be to use the sheet to provide the vertical force required while the boom is within the reach of the traveller, and use the traveller to place the boom horizontally. As the boom moves outside the reach of the traveller, the mainsheet switches to provide the horizontal placement of the boom, and the boom vang provides the vertical placement.
Remmeber, the twist (a changing of the angle of attack to the wind as you move up and down the sail) is controlled by moving the clew up and down, i.e. the vertical component of force on the clew. Changing the angle of attach for the entire sail (once the twist is dialled in) is done by moaving the clew horizontally, either inboaard or outboard via the boom on the mainsail, or moving the clew both forward and outward or aft and inward on the headsail. That's what makes things tricky on headsail-easing the sheet moves the clew forward as well as outword as well as (to a smaller extent) upward, changing both the general angle of attack and the twist.
I know this seems a bit involved, but if you look at the individual movememts one by one, you will understand the mechanics and interrelationships involved.
T. |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 50
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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Ted,
Now I am confused because I didn't think you got "apparent wind" when going on a run... when it is behind you it is just pushing you so that point of sail doesn't have any.... dynamic lift and so it is just true wind...not much more.... unless a spinnaker is used and I am going over a waterfall with a good current!
So the fastest way to go with monster winds is with the wind behind me because I do not have a bigger monster boat with massive empire state building mast and sails....that, I "get". If I had a HUGE mast and monster cable type shrouds with a mega flat storm jib and gale winds, I could maybe strap that baby down and perhaps even sail right over land!
Hmmm, add a wing...or two and a jet engine and voila, first class seats!
In my real world, where I would not really be sailing in a hurricane, (I would be holding on for dear life), the most common fastest point of sail in moderate winds is a reach to close haul (if wind is milder... )
Well, I need to go over the COE and CLR a bit more and then the chart stuff...
Question! When you see a positive number in parenthesis by a rock this means that at MLL tide that it sticks up above the level right? |
Ted Lavino
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Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 236
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 01:06 pm: |
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Hi April, perhaps another view would help as well.
Speed through the water is directly related to the amount of power being provided by your sails. And the amount of power provided by your sails is related to apparent wind. The third thing to remember is that this power is not always pushing you in the direction you wan to go. So, as Marc says, the fastest way through the water is a lots of apparent wind pushing you in the direction you want to go, i.e. a hurricane coming from behind you. As the direction or power generated by the speed of the apparent wind changes, so does your boat speed through the water, and there is some overlap there. Meaning, if a strong apparent wind is coming from further forward, your speed forward might match that with a somewhat lighter apparent wind coming from further aft, even though your total speed through the water is higher with a stronger apparent wind. This is due to more leeway as the apparent wind moves forward.
The second point Marc was making is that as the true wind moves forward, the apparent wind speed increases, providing more power. Again, there is some overlap, meaning that at some point you might have the same speed through the water with a lighter true wind coming from a more forward direction as you would with stronger true wind speed coming from a direction further aft, all because of the difference in the speed of apparent wind and therefore power from your sails. |
april salem
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Username: April
Post Number: 49
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:07 am: |
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Hughston...geeze...that darn processor it didn't spell check! |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 48
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:06 am: |
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ooops that was Mr Houston who answered that for me!
Thank you! I really get it.
Thank you for calming my prefinal nerves! |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 47
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:04 am: |
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Mr Howe,
That helped a whole lot! Now I understand, if the boat is not equipped to handle huge amounts of wind, it will only be a fight and we can actually drift while on course and go "no where". So then in a "gale", down wind would be the very fastest! That makes perfect sense. This is why we have learned to reef and know about storm sails etc.
Ok so when considering the boat, the conditions and the ability of the helmsmen; the fastest point of sail could be downwind. I take notes but I can't even read my own notes half the time--and I blame this on word processing.
I hope I understand that Jib question. I never did learn that flying bowline thing...it was way too hard and required two hands flipping things in the air---it is said to be done in a "nanosecond" with good technique but I can't even figure out what they want. My "knot kid" could not either and she was the one to figure out the Paul Newman bowline.
I did learn the Carrick and it is cute.
They say that the flying bowline that you taught, they call it "the slip knot bowline" is the most widely used form of bowline and the author uses it extensively. He said it is the KING. Apparently the "flying bowline" from the text, is not truly an honest bowline and the author calls it a "bastard of the King". These guys take their knots seriously!
Well I have a stack of index cards to test myself on all the different stuff and I sure hope I do better than the mid terms. I am giving an honest go at it!
If you are there at the test I will bring in that explanation of the flying bowline and maybe you can teach it to me! Or tell me if it is even worth knowing!
Thanks so much, I actually think I have learned a lot! I have a huge stack of index cards anyway! |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 204
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 09:28 am: |
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Fastest Point of Sail:
What Mark Howe says is that the fastest point of sail is surfing down the face of a sixty foot wave while dead downwind in a hurricane - or words to that effect.
The fastest point of sail really depends on the wind strength. Though individual boats will vary because of their design characteristics, use this general rule as a guide:
When the wind is howling, 25 +, downwind is fastest
Moderate breeze, 12 - 18, beam reaching is fastest
Light breeze, 3 - 8, close haul to close reach is fastest.
In a nutshell, when the wind goes light, head up. |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 46
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:30 pm: |
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Question!? When going over my notes I have a discrepency...Mr Howe said that the fastest point for a sail boat was downwind but everything I read says it is a reach. So did I make a mistake on my notes?
I have read that the fastest point of sail is a reach to a close haul but my notes on the test say downwind... I can't understand that because there is no lift and so the boat can gain momentum only through the true wind and not with additional apparent wind adding lift etc...
I know this has been brought up before so I went on the internet and every site I found went into great lenght explaining how a reach and even a close haul may be the FASTEST point of sail...
Any help out there????
Also I figured out that question to reduce twist on a jib we would put the jib lead forward and not aft because then we would straighten out the leech. I kept thinking of the way a main works but it has the boom to keep the foot flat and then of course the vang or travelor to help with twist.
So if we have twist on the Jib...we can only pull down the leech by pushing the lead forward to pull it down and not lengthy...so the sail will fill open and not twist.
Still anyone have information on the fastest point of sail? Did I have my notes wrong? |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 45
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 02:01 pm: |
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Mark and Marc...
I know a new Bowline---> the Paul Newman Bowline!
It is all with one hand and around a tree or something. It is basically going away from you when doing the around the waist bowline with one hand but it is just a little different...
The "Flying bowline" is also called the "Tugboat Bowline"
There are seven different kinds in "The Complete Riggers Apprentice"
Newman Bowline
Spilled Hitch Bowline
Fingertip bowline
Enhanced Bowline
Slipknot Bowline
Flying Bowline
Dragon Bowline! (this one is a dumb trick where you kinda make one...hold on to the end and drag it away and voila...a bowline...)
It appears that the "slipknot bowline" is what we learned to be the flying bowline in class. The Flying Bowline in this book really does "fly" because you make two loops out of two hands... I am going to try and practice it... it looks tricky...
April |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 203
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 06:44 pm: |
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US SAILING Knot Videos
Here is the link I mentioned in the last class that provides some videos of sailing knots. Once on this page, follow other links to sailing knot videos.
http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/
Mark Howe also has some knot tying video, but I no longer have the URL. Mark, can you supply the link?
Marc |
april salem
Senior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 44
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 10:20 pm: |
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The DVD is rather babyish but it has some very good parts to it. In the beginning they sing a song...when you think that you may fall...tie a knot! ...when you want to hold your horse tie a knot...etc etc. But the good part of the whole thing is that they explain a bite and the working end and the load end etc. Then they show similar "grabs" which one can do for many different knots. This way one gets faster at learning them and doing them. There are 47 knots on the DVD. Then there is a race thing...8 knots in 8 seconds. They even show splicing and making ropes. There is an explanation of how to make a rope making machine...a simple turning deal. The one part I have enjoyed (I have NOT gone through the whole DVD yet) is where they take all bends and use different rope to tie two cars together and then attempt to tow one. They compare the lasting ability of the knot and then the ease of removing it. The sheet shank did poorly, the double sheet shank was the best as it held and it was easisest of all the strong bends to remove. (It took about two minutes to remove after a heavy load.) They have 6-8 ways of doing a bowline. I will gladly bring it to class if we have a DVD player just so you can learn the silly catchy tune! LOL
All knots are shown both with the camera pointing as if we are doing the knot outselves and with the camera looking on... I do think I will get some good stuff out of it and because they show 8 year olds doing this stuff I might be competitive enought to think I can do it too!
The good part is that most of the knots are shown with what they are good for... even tieing up a bread wrapper...or tying your shoes 8 different ways etc. So when I have time to go through the whole DVD I expect that I should know most of my knots fairly well!
When your tent is in a storm...tie a knot... when you want to hitch a line ..tie a knot...when you fall off your boat tie a knot...or something like that. They have rhymes for the figure 8 and other knots... I saw this super fast bowline that is like magic and I must learn it. It looked like a Vegas show! I just needed big hair and a tiger! I hope to have some of this stuff for "show N Tell" next week!
I also have a Nav final on Thursday so maybe I will be ready for my debut..and maybe not!
See you all next week! |
april salem
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Username: April
Post Number: 43
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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When I got home from class tonight my DVD and rope were delivered by Fed Ex...
the name of the DVD is called "Why Knot?" and it has 47 knots and 6 splices. It teaches how and when to use each knot too. It is supposed to be good for sailors, rock climbers, military, scouts, backpackers, horseback riders etc. The bonus DVD has "Speed knots", rope making, neck ties, and fancy knots.
I bought the DVD from www.adventsource.org as they gave me rope too.
Here is another knot site that I have messed with:
http://www.realknots.com/knots/
I will watch the DVD and check it out... |
april salem
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Username: April
Post Number: 40
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 11:43 am: |
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Marc,
I am all set to sail on Friday. I was confused about which day we "celebrated" or sailed for Veterans Day! Thank you, I do not want to miss any classes. |
markhowe (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 07:48 am: |
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April and others;
The sailing lab is Friday; 12-1600. If any of you could make it but just not by noon, let Marc know. He could maybe pick you up at the Harbor Patrol dock. [You may have already covered this]
Vets day is celebrated Friday [but maybe not] and so thats where you got that idea. The actual Vets day is today [Thrs] so thats why you're confused.
The Colgate books came in yesterday; anybody interested in picking them up over the weekend [incl. lab on Fri.] let me know. |
april salem
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Username: April
Post Number: 39
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 11:03 pm: |
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Help, were we supposed to have a lab on Veterans Day?
I'm mixed up and I know that we have a sailing lab on Friday but somewhere in my mind I remember a lab on Veterans Day.
If we do could someone please let me know, I know it is late and I have been going over some of the older posts but I can't find it!
Thanks! |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 202
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 11:54 am: |
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Okay, I have a useful knot you can do in under ten seconds. I'll show you Friday. Another glass of Merlot please... |
april salem
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Username: April
Post Number: 38
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 08:42 pm: |
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Marc,
I probably will not need the books until this weekend anyway so Friday will be great! I am finished with the regular basic boating safety test etc... I got a 100%! Yay! I know know more about trailors and PWC's and their engines than I ever wanted to know! LOL but I got the certificate! It was a proctored test because they had to cancell the class this season, so for a minute I went blank regarding lights and ended up drawing all the different colored lights and degrees for sail boats and motor boats... LOL I honestly forgot for a split second! I think I had test anxiety!
Yes your flying bowline made me a "super-star" and I will forever be grateful...it is hard to be a super star among talented youth! Teach me more knots! This seems to mesmerize them! And when I can tell those kids that I have a knot that I can do super quick it is worthy of greatness. They have 10 knots to do in under 90 seconds. My kids are under 60 seconds, so that flying bowline was amazing... like a trick thumb that looks like it comes off or something! I felt sassy! They are even waiting on me and stuff! Yeah true! I now hold great esteem! One just went and got me a glass of wine... I need more fancy knots!!!!!!!! and of course more wine! |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 201
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:26 pm: |
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Wow, flying bowlines strengthen family ties...I'm glad you made it a success!
I can bring the books to the sailing lab on Friday, unless you need them sooner. |
april salem
Advanced Member
Username: April
Post Number: 37
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 03:55 pm: |
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Marc,
I will bet they are mine! I have been looking everywhere for them! I thought I had everything but I think my concern was over my lucky rope that I have been practicing with for weeks...
Hey that flying bowline was a hit! Oh you should have seen how smug I was with my girls... I know a knot that you don't know..... la la la la....nananana! They said What..."as if" I said... A flying Bowline, Michelle said "the Hell you say?" I told her true... a flying one! She immediately wanted to see it.. so I did it really FAST and she said, "lets see that again"... Oh I was in my element, I loved it! So I did it slowly and captured the kitchen chair. She was enthralled!
Your Flying Bowline made a huge sucess! I am now worthy!
As far as my books, yes I do mark them and I do have the red tabs etc... I actually read that stuff and do the homework. I tab the parts that I want to read over and over.
You have my books and I would love to get them back! What shall I do? I am at the base often. I go on Wednesday nights (forever) and then again on Thursday nights and I will be there for the long sail lab on Friday! Perhaps I can get them then?
I hope I did OK on that test! I have had so many things going through my noggin. I had 32 pt compass, relative bearings and knots to memorize for Sea Scouts and then the Nav class is doing piloting now so between, the test I take in Newport for the Coast Guard safe boating (tonight!) , the tests in your class, the tests for the kids (I score them!) and navigation... I forget which wants what! On my test I started to do a navigation dead reckoning with that speed and time for distance question! When you said show your work I started to chart! LOL Oh well... I need someone to lead me from place to place!
See you soon? |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 199
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 03:24 pm: |
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Somebody left their books and aventura syllabus in the classroom on Friday. The Colgate books have red post-its for page markers. I have them at my house in Dana Point, and will be happy to help get them back to you, whoever you are! |
april salem
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Username: April
Post Number: 36
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 03:35 pm: |
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I can do them all now... but tonight my mind could be a sieve... I have been tying things to my file cabinet... I fear that I will need my cabinet to pass! I have bonded and imprinted to it! |
april salem
Advanced Member
Username: April
Post Number: 35
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 03:07 pm: |
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Mark,
Thank you so much. I have been reading non stop about sails... is the double bowline a bowline on a bite or a French Bowline? (I am getting help here! from my kids but they do not know the anchor bend) are the taughtline and rolling hitch basically the same thing?
I will try to find them on line... |
Marc Hughston
Moderator
Username: Hughston
Post Number: 198
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 02:01 pm: |
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April,
Knots on page 5 of the advanced syllabus include:
Bowline, Sheet Bend, Double Bowline, Double Sheet Bend, 2 half hitches, clove hitch, tautline hitch, rolling hitch, anchor bend.
We'll review these tonight starting at 1730 in the Aventura classroom. |
april salem
Advanced Member
Username: April
Post Number: 34
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 01:30 pm: |
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Knots:
Since I was not there in class, what are the knots I must know? If anyone is on line, I would love a list so I know what is expected. I did not get an advanced syllabus... I will try to look up the stuff from previous classes.... |
Ted Lavino
Senior Member
Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 231
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 01:20 pm: |
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One more thing April: The information that your Coast Guard friend told you is not correct (subsitute the USCG for Chapman's in my earlier post...). The Navigation Rules have the force of law (they're part of the Code of Federal Regulations) and therefore they are actually very clear and specific and apply to everyone on the water. Sometimes others do not abide by them, and there is a portion of the rules that apply in that instance as well (Rule 17). If there was an incident that required your insurance company to get involved, you can be sure the Navigation Rules will be used to determine fault!
Cheers,
T. |
Ted Lavino
Senior Member
Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 230
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 01:13 pm: |
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Hello April, you should be able to buy a copy of Chart #1 at West Marine or Boat US. I think its under $20.
Dates of Latest Editions tells you the current version of a particular chart, so you know if your chart needs to be replaced with a current version.
Summary or Corrections tells you all the updates to a particuar chart since its publication. This is the stuff that gets put out in LNTM's. Rather than have to go through all the LNTM's since the publication date to collect changes, they're all in one place. |
april salem
Advanced Member
Username: April
Post Number: 32
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 12:59 pm: |
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Thanks Ted! Wow what are those helpful things to update charts? I know that the LNM and updates can be gotten from the internet now rather than have to susbscribe. I had my Nav class last night and we discussed some of these things along with how Coast Guard puts in discrepency reports etc. I am now doing dead reckoning and changing course and speed between ANTON's on the charts. We will get into more advanced stuff as it goes along. I want to buy one of those chart #1 books, I do not have one. I saw the different Ferry signs on page 54 I think...
So those charts are fairly informative!!! <smile>
Now I had better practice for the test tonight! Gulp! I have no idea what is on the midterm, I assume everything up until now... the last few weeks I have been doing the True to Magnetic to Compass with variation and deviation and learning to "Slip Ship" so I probably forgot a lot of other information floating around in my old brain!
The "Coastie" told me that the rules of the road are "supposed to" apply to the Ferry's but he would never expect it! He said that they have three going at once. They legally do not have a drift issue, so they have plenty of maneuverability but he notices that folks slow down and head for the stern or wait them out often. He would not chance an insurance issue. The "rules of the road" are general and good sense must prevail... He asked me if I would go out in front of another at a 4 way stop if I knew I had the right of way...NOPE!
I have NEVER had a driving ticket in my life! I prefer courtesy and safe driving.... |
Ted Lavino
Senior Member
Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 228
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 09:27 am: |
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Hi April, Ferry routes do indeed show up on charts, for example the route the Catalina Express takes from Dana Point harbor to Santa Catalina is depicted on NOS chart 18746 and described in Chart #1 (everyone should have a copy!) in section M #50 and 51.
If you look closely at the Newport Bay chart (NOS 18754) you will notice that there are depictions of ferry docks as well as the route between them on both Balboa Island and the Balboa peninsula. There are also a depiction of an underwater cable area (described in Chart #1 Section L 30.2) whose boundries surround the ferry route and whose boundries are very similar in appearance to the ferry route, except the dashes are a bit longer. BTW the submarine cables depicted are doesn't have any relationship to the ferry, i.e. the ferry does not run on an underwater cable, or the depiction of the ferry route would look a little different (see Chart #1 Section M 51). These are submarine cables for telephone service, etc for Balboa Island.
Electronic versions of Chart #1 and many other publications from the US Government can be downloaded from:
http://pollux.nss.nima.mil/pubs/
One final note, Aids to Navigation (bouys, beacons, lights, etc.) are indeed maintained by the USCG (for aids in U.S. waters). However, the charts depicting them are maintained after publication by the user using information published by the USCG in the form of Local Notices to Mariners.
For those venturing into foreign waters, most Hydrographic offices publishing charts (for example NIMA (US) and British Admiralty (UK) have similar processes for users to keep their charts up to date. An interesting note for you hydrographic trivia fans: British Admiralty charts are current as of the day you purchase them, i.e. post publications corrections are to be applied by the chart vendor. NOS and NIMA charts require the purchaser to update them, as they are only current as of the date of publication (listed on the chart itself). This could mean hours of work for each chart to bring it current. Maybe that's why the BA charts are $40 each...
BTW, for those maintaining their own charts, NOS has a couple of tools that making it easy to make sure you have the current chart or publication and to find out what corrections have been applied to a specific chart or publication since its publication:
Dates of Latest Editions:
http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/dole.htm
Summary of Corrections:
http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/nm/Terms.asp
Cheers! |
april salem
Advanced Member
Username: April
Post Number: 31
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 05:15 pm: |
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Hey Thanks Ted, I looked up ATONS and Ferry Boats and indeed they can show up on the charts and "should be updated" by Coast Guard annually ... so that was a great surprise. They even get into if there are cables or times of passage etc when necessary. I didn't even think about it and hopefully charts do include such things! As far as special circumstances I would imagine that they could be considered much like a bridge or something, that opens and closes if they had a constant 'stand on' position. That was helpful as I do not really look at charts in depth because here on the Pacific and just to Catalina there is not a whole bunch of stuff other than the shipping lanes and anchoring. I will start paying more attention to such things. |
Mark Howe
Moderator
Username: Unclemark
Post Number: 135
Registered: 08-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 05:20 am: |
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I will drop you today, Scott. Try to survive NYC; they do have sailing there. Hope to see you on the water.
Since today is the last day to drop I will drop anybody who hasn't been showing up for a while. If you want me to keep you, call me. 949-496-3453. |
N. Scott Anderson
New member
Username: Scott_anderson
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 03:47 pm: |
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Marc/Mark-
I'm being sent to NYC for a 2-month project, and will miss out on the remainder of the class/semester. Any paperwork required for such?
To ensure I don't go through sailing withdrawal, the company will send me back every few weekends, so hope to see you on the water!
-Scott (aka: Nicholas S. Anderson on the class roster) |
april salem
Intermediate Member
Username: April
Post Number: 19
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 04:55 pm: |
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Susie,
Thank you for helping me with the fishing vessel question. This makes a huge difference. I have not encountered a boat with a light to the side indicating how far they have their lines so that too was very helpful!
I still feel like I am swaying back and forth and I am so sore! The trip on the Spirit was fun, we had some interesting anchoring situations, and wow, with those huge anchors and all heavy chain etc... it is not a simple deal. I love the galley on Spirit. With two ovens I could have cooked all kinds of food!
I tell you though, next time I need to bring ear phones and a cd player... I ended up sleeping on deck. There must be some kind of set up for a tent on deck! It got cold around 3 am... but it was quiet! It was nice to think of little other than food, sleep and the next watch or job. I was completely at peace.
We were so fortunate to have a nice weekend... time to study up on my midterm! |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 192
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 04:11 pm: |
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One other area of study for the midterm:
Important characteristics of storm sails enabling them to work well in very strong winds.
Hint: there are 3 characteristics |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 188
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 10:51 am: |
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MST 214 Second Midterm Nov 5.: Areas of Focus
Anchoring
Setting, ensuring the anchor holds, retrieving from rocks.
Terminology.
Types of anchors, and suitability for different bottom characteristics.
How changes in weight placement change the relationship between the boat’s center of effort and its center of lateral resistance, and what changes would either increase or decrease weather helm.
The hows, and in particular, the whys of reefing.
Rules of the road
Sail vs. sail.
Sail vs. power.
Power vs. power.
Aids to navigation, the significance of their color, shape, and number, and the “red – right – returning” rule.
Nautical Charts
Knowing the shapes and symbols on the chart that indicate the location of buoys, lights, lighted buoys, rocks, and kelp.
How to interpret the height of tide in relation to the charted depth in a cove – this means understanding what the chart datum is, and how a plus or minus tide relates to it.
The hows and whys of rig tuning.
The hows and whys of gybing SAFELY.
Be able to tie the knots we discussed and practiced last class. The complete list of knots is in the Advanced Syllabus, page 5 (handed out last class). |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 186
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 11:34 am: |
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Yes there will be a quiz on Rules Of The Road this Friday the 29th. April, if you meet us at the boats at 5:30, I'll give you one to take with you. Simply bring it to the next class.
Now, on to your answers to the right of way situations shown on page 91 of Colgate's Basic Sailing. You've got them all correct! |
april salem
Intermediate Member
Username: April
Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 12:42 pm: |
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Marc,
I will not be at Friday's class to get the quiz. I mentioned this to Mark and he said to contact you perhaps we can meet at 5:30 and I can get it from you? I will be taking the Spirit to Catalina with the Sea Scouts. I have my homework if you want it.
I also have questions regarding page 91 of Colgates Basic Sailing. If I could confirm my answers to the "right of way test questions" by anyone in the class that would be helpful.
1. B has right of way and it is leeward.
2. B right of way, starboard tack
3. B it is stand on vessel as it is being overtaken
4. A has right of way, starboard tack
5. B stand on due to overtaking even though Port tack?
6. A stand on vessel starboard tack
7. B right of way starboard tack
8. B stand on overtaking situation
9. B leeward...both on port tack?
I just want to see if I am getting this down... if anyone can jump in and help, please do!
Marc, if it is good with you regarding getting the quiz or if you want me to come a little early and take it, that is fine. Let me know! I am sorry that I will be gone but I AM practicing!
Thanks!
April
For Charles: haven't heard from me wee pirate, me thinks they are still burning things in SF bay... perhaps the engine on the big white whale, they rode up narth, should have been on, whilst pumping up the soggy tires? aye, a true navigator does not need those fuses anyway! |
Mark Howe
Moderator
Username: Unclemark
Post Number: 132
Registered: 08-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 08:03 pm: |
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Sorry about the stinky anchoring.
This time we will practice the rules we learned last time. And then do some more stinky anchoring if we have time.
If the group is small again, we'll use the two 28's and Campbell's Sloop to practice right of way situations. This goes like a figure eight with crossing situations each time you cross the eight. And with other variations. Get creative but don't crash. |
april salem
Intermediate Member
Username: April
Post Number: 16
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 11:53 am: |
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Stinky Anchoring!
I was shocked to find how nasty the bottom of our harbor smells! I had to be "places" after sailing last week and wow, did I reek! It didn't matter that I shook the anchor to get the muck off...it stunk! And I had gloves. Now I want to up the ante--we need Fabreeze or Lysol air mist! That was the stinkingest anchoring I have ever had the privilage to smell! I have been told that Mission Bay is worse... it can't be! poo-poo smell is poo-poo smell in my opinion! YUCK my kids were at Doheney around a campfire and I had to stay downwind! When a sailing kid tells you that you reek...you know it is true! I had no arguement when I asked if I could go home to shower before hanging with Sea Scouts! |
april salem
Intermediate Member
Username: April
Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:54 pm: |
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Mark and Marc,
If I did really rotten can I retake the test? I wrote things beside the questions that seemed iffy to me but if I was horrible, can I do a retake? I should have asked what was meant by some of the questions rather than explain myself. I have three Sea Scout daughters who will 1. either disown me 2. make me do push ups (I am rotten at those, give me sit ups any day) 3. ridicule me until I won't even be able to tie my shoes or 4. Tell on me and all Mariners will chortle.... I am supposed to be an advisor and I needs some respect! (my youngest said that she feels sympathetic)
I am way up front about two of the questions...I had NO CLUE.... I really did know the others...I just explained my way around them! I even knew my knots, all of them and I only had three to do and I am left handed and my kids have been traumatized due to my constant requests for tutoring! I did not know that sheep bend or something like that...What the Hell is a sheep bend? Oh well.....I didn't know they could bend!
Give me hope Capn.....
april |
Marc Hughston
Moderator
Username: Hughston
Post Number: 185
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 03:54 pm: |
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MST 214 Sailing and Class Plan for 10/8/04
We'll sail back and forth between the green and red buoys, staying only in that area, and we'll work on specific skills.
Volunteers, I'll need your help to make sure each of the skills are practiced and that we keep to the schedule. This will require focus, and getting out of the slip very rapidly. Don't wait for stragglers - class begins at 1730
Sailing Plan
Leg 1: Harbor Entrance to green bouy
-Tack at least once
-Reef the main in 60 sec.
-Stop the boat (completely) by luffing, and then begin sailing again to the green bouy
-Tie a bowline and a clove hitch
-Round the green bouy leaving it to port
Leg 2: Green bouy to red bouy at harbor entrance
-Unreef the main in 60 sec.
-Execute at least one intentional and controlled jibe
-Complete a downwind MOB recovery in 30 sec.
-Head up to a close reach, and then fall off to a broad reach, using proper verbal commands
-Tie a taughtline hitch
-Round the red bouy leaving it to starboard, and head back toward the green bouy, or back to the dock if getting close to 1900.
Be back at the dock by 1900.
-Unrig and clean up
-Tie a reef knot and a cleat hitch.
Please be in the classroom at 1930 for the Midterm. Lecture on anchoring will follow.
(This sounds like a lot to accomplish, but we can do it especially if some of the students know the knots and can help teach others)
See you then!
Marc |
april salem
Intermediate Member
Username: April
Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:57 pm: |
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More sea lore:
The acronym posh...port out starboard home. This comes from wealthy passengers who booked cabins to India on the cool side of the ship...posh...
Crows nest because they did have crows...the crows hate being on the ocean and would fly for land even in fog! So they would let one loose to find their way.
Roman sailors were paid with salt. This was a very important seasoning before refrigeration. They did not take kindly to loosing their salary when needed to rub salt into wounds after battle to keep out infection. Rubbing salt into a wound was more than painful...it was their salary!
Letting the cat out of the bag was for the day of punishment for those found guilty of being drunk while at watch or sailing....a cat of nine tails.
A little nipper was a small boy who used small lines nipped to the cables of the anchors to get the last line up on deck. They became called little nippers...
Being put through the hoops or having to go through hoops came from the tidy hammocks rolled up for battle. The boatswain or Bosuns mates would check for the tighness of each rolled hammock every morning with a regulation sized hoop. There was trouble for the sailor whose hammock could not be put through the hoop.
Square meals came from being able to go below and eat a full meal on a sqare piece of board...otherwise the sailors had to eat from pinches of food pulled from their pocket on a windy day on top as they tacked back and forth.
Clean slate: when recording courses and distances and tacks on a log slate the new watch would always use a clean slate...and hope for the best! (disregarding what had gone on before!
Most of these terms come from English sailing lore... but they are interesting!
April |
april salem
Intermediate Member
Username: April
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 12:59 am: |
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For Mark Howe: Saturday Night Videos...
I watched the VCR of your video and it was great! Very historic to boot!
So I thought I would give you a few seaman terms with some relevance, just for the fun of it!
Anything at sea that went "by the board" was seen to go overboard and as good as lost at sea. So to take aboard was to take useful things above deck ready to use. All above board referred to the fact that the boards of planking were in view of everyone. Sailor's problems were usually not above aboard, they were the wastrals beneath board. So things that were "above board were not troublesome and were obvious"
Boat parts:
In Traditional wooden ships sailors had to caulk or pay the seams wbetween plansk with hot tar to keep them from leaking to the bilges, the devil seam was topmosit in the hull next to the scuppers (gutters at the end of the deck). It was the longest seam on the boat and not being flush as other seams it was most prone to spring a leak . A sailor knocked down by a wave could find himself scuppered and lying between the devil and the deep blue sea. Sailors would be so weary that they could find themselves washed over board. They might lament that there was the "devil to pay" and no hot pitch, or that they were nearly on the beam ends ... or to reach the "bitter end".
Sails: On a Burmuda rigged two sailed vessel there are three sheets. Two for jib/foresail and one for maim) If a yacht is three sheets to the wind then the sails are not drawing wind and the boat wil not make headway. So three sheets to the wind was out of control and not making headway...
If a clew comes undone and a vessel does not have a clew, it is not going anywhere....doesn't have a clue....
The foot of the sail is usually tied to the boom, but when it is footloose or loosefooted if often dances freeley with a mind of its own.
When sails were set correctly and the ship was balanced with no weather or lee helm sailors would commend the girl with a "now your talking" as she splashed rhythmically.
Sailboats have an optimum angle of heel -the angle which it is better to reduce sal rahter than to have power spilling out... this angle is critical and a good sailor will always know when to put a "new slant on things".
In port "floozies" were allowed aboard, for many different lengths of time, if sailors were allowed off they might not come back! So while hammocks were not the best place for such goings on many took to the spaces between the guns. Some children were also born here as it had perfect places for holding on and as no one knew who the father was... they were a "son of a gun". They were entered into the log book as such. The gun deck and the four deck rings for each canon were also useful for tying men to be flogged over a barrel. Sailors referred to this predicament as being married to the gunners daughter, from which there was no respite!
I will put more sailor lore and old sayings later!
April |
Mark Howe
Moderator
Username: Unclemark
Post Number: 127
Registered: 08-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 03:03 pm: |
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For Friday night class:
Sailing will review everything we have talked about so far. Please don't leave the area between the green and red bouys.
Sailing drill will emphasize MOB recovery in 30 sec., reefing in 60 sec., and allowing everybody the opportunity to practice positions they haven't had a chance to do yet, if any.
Lecture will be review for the MIDTERM next week plus anything else of interest that comes up during lab. Bring your questions!! |
april salem
Junior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:13 pm: |
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Dear Mark and Marc,
I will be taking my kid to college this weekend and will miss the long sailing day...I hope to make that up as I have most days free... tonight we have the ice cream social on the boats... I am tired already! There is a lot to packing up a kid that has lived with you for 18 years! wow....
April |
David Sheriff
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Username: David
Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:41 am: |
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If a topic gets added to the bulletin board it does not automatically get added to your e-mail list. You need to actually scan the board from time to time and modify your profile accordingly. |
Mark Howe
Moderator
Username: Unclemark
Post Number: 121
Registered: 08-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:51 am: |
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I just discovered that my profile showed every topic except this one; no way to know how that happened, but I have been missing all of the great comments. Many thanks April for the research on full and by [now I even know how to spell it.] so I'm catching up.
The reasoning on the long sail this Friday is because the daylight hours are getting shorter so quickly. You may have noticed the schedule has the long sail set for a few weeks from now; thats 'cause the original outline was for Spring and in Jan there ain't much light. But by the end of Feb its getting lighter. We have the opposite problem so we decided to do the long sail sooner.
One other thing; I have been working on the class outlines for the Intermediate and Advanced curricular changes and will post them for comments and interest. They are only under submission at this time. The Intermediate is pretty much what we are doing now and the Advanced is what we do in Spring. Won't be official until Fall '05. |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 184
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:15 am: |
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MST 214 - Next Class 9/17
This coming Friday, 9/17, the entire class will be lab. That means sailing from 1730 to 2100. It may get cool, so please wear appropriate clothing. I also suggest you bring some water and a snack, as we will be on the water for approximately three hours.
The boats will be leaving the dock shortly after 1730. Please call my cell phone on Friday if you are running late, and I may be able to ferry you out to a boat: 949-939-8123. |
Ted Lavino
Senior Member
Username: Tlavino
Post Number: 198
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 03:29 pm: |
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Great points Marc. One more item though-overtaking vessels are give-way vessels and vessels being overtaken are stand-on vessels, regardless of sailing/motoring, point of sail, leeward/windward, etc. I remember the rules via the acronym OTW (On The Water): Overtaking, Tack, Windward/Leward. |
Marc Hughston
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Username: Hughston
Post Number: 182
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 01:08 am: |
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Q&A regarding right of way.
With the tall ships sailing and motoring this evening, I posed the question to the crew on Campbell's Sloop, "Who would have right of way between Sloop and the tall ships?"
I was hoping to ferret out the "big boat" issue, meaning, some folks believe that a big boat has right of way over a small boat. Here are the answers.
1. Sail vs. Power.
Sailing vessels (propelled by sail alone), in general, have right of way over motor vessels (being propelled by their motor, even if their sails are up). In this case, Sloop would have right of way over any tall ship that was being propelled by her engine. Of course, courtesy and form might have suggested that Sloop avoid coming into conflict with any of these ships, regardless. Just the same, the obligation of the tall ship (if under power) would have been to avoid Sloop.
Important exceptions to this rule invlolve the circumstances of the motor vessel, including, if she is being overtaken by Sloop, not under command, restricted in maneuverability (by the nature of her work), constrained by draft, or engaged in fishing (does not include someone having a line over the side). Notice that the rules do not consider whether one boat is larger than another.
2. Sail vs. Sail, same tack.
Leeward boat has right of way. So if Sloop was crossing the Spirit of Dana Point, and both were on port tack, and if Sloop were to leeward, Sloop would have right of way.
3. Sail vs. Sail, opposite tacks.
Starboard tack has right of way. So if Sloop was crossing the Spirit of Dana Point, and Spirit was on port tack while Sloop was on Starboard, Sloop would have right of way.
4. What tack is a tall ship on anyway?
The tack a multimasted or square rigged boat is on is the side opposite to which the largest fore and aft sail is carried on. So, if the Pilgrim carries that sail on the port side, she is on a starboard tack. Same with all the others, and then it's back to the same tack or opposite tack rules. |
Marc Hughston
Moderator
Username: Hughston
Post Number: 181
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:55 pm: |
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Scott, sure you can bring your camera. Just check with the acting boat captain to make sure the other crew and the boat don't need both your hands and all your attention when picture time comes. |
Student Scott (Unregistered Guest)
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Just curious...will the Tall Ships Sunset parade/battle affect sailing tonight (Friday)? Should I bring my camera? |
Susie Campbell
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Username: Susie
Post Number: 89
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 01:01 pm: |
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Wow....I got my crew! This site works great, for seeking women sailors! If you still want to crew, I can help you find a spot on another boat. |
Susie Campbell
Senior Member
Username: Susie
Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:13 am: |
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We'll miss you April! I have room for one more crew person. |
april salem
Junior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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Susie,
I wish I could go but I will be taking Chelsea to Santa Cruz that weekend. In fact, I will have to miss the Friday class on safety lists and protocol etc. It is a long drive.... they do not have parking so we have to wait for a 20 minute slot to dump her stuff, then park the car a few miles away and take a shuttle to her dorm. It will be interesting!
I would really love to go with you! One day.... |
Susie Campbell
Senior Member
Username: Susie
Post Number: 87
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:08 am: |
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SEEKING WOMEN SAILORS!!!!!
Sunday, Sept. 19th the "All womens Regatta" will be held in Newport Beach! We leave Dana Point at 7:00am. I have a few openings available on the Campbell's Sloop crew. We plan to practice this Sat. from 1:00-4:00. Don't feel like you need to be a "hot racer" to sail with me. I use these races as a platform for teaching sailing and having a good time.
If interested, please give me a call at 494-1700 or e-mail be at sailorsusie@cox.net |
april salem
Junior Member
Username: April
Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:10 pm: |
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Re Beat/Close Hauled and the diagram on pinching and "Full and Bye" Well the full and bye is the English term for when one lets out the sail a bit and so they are not so pinched and so they have a full sheet and go "by the wind". A few points off the wind and she is full and bye or by and large...same thing! A few more points off and she is probably not intending to tack to windward is is there fore content...to hold her course "near", but below the wind, so as to fetch her destination in one tack. (this was often called a soldiers wind as it required no tacking and little nautical skill) I knew I could find the answer somewhere... I am awaiting a book from my grandfather written by an English Ships Captain date late 1700's. I read it before but was more interested in the medicinal stuff rather than the nautical terms as I was into old medical remedies and such. I did a WHO/Unicef report on natural medicine in Fiji. I hope to get the book before this class ends, it should have some great terms and such.... |
april salem
New member
Username: April
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 10:50 pm: |
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Mark, well I am really an idiot, I only know how to sail by "feel". I am not real bright when it comes to terms. I took Shield racing years (many years) ago at OCC and there were no instruments so it was ALL just by feel and we only had two people to a Shield. We raced out in the ocean. My partner was aggro and he scared the Hell out of me!
So I would not trust me to be that helpful! My only certification in SCST is that I am a mom of three girls in the program and they need a female chaperone! I have some experience but NO formal education. I learned a lot tonight and I love the way you guys wrap the sheets and hang them, wow that makes sense. Just think if I actually LEARN why things work, I might be able to do a good job out there! We took a totally different course home from Catalina because I was at the helm I just used the most wind along the island and then went into the sun as it came up ...we got home in about 5 hours max.
I am willing to learn! And now I know how to trim the main on the Blue Dolphin without stealing the winch from the jib! Very cool!
Thanks so much for a fun class, I really enjoyed it. Using the negative and positive forces on the sail explained a lot. |
